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00:32, 14 February 2025 review of submission by Esme im

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Hi. My article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Tradlinx) was declined and I'm having difficulty figuring what how to apply the feedback given which was 'Prose needs work as it is overly promotional; I cannot verify this company's notability as I do not speak Korean (all cited sources are in that language).'. I find it hard see which part of the content is overly promotional as i've specifically avoided any value added adjective and only referenced independent sources(I have disclosed the page belonging to the company I work for, and made sure the language used is as neutral as possible)

also in regards to the references article being Korean, should I provide translated versions of these articles? These are articles from independent media (reputable publications in Korea) testifying what the article claims which is the company's reputation in Korea. While I sincerely appreciate the effort of the editor, I do not know how to take the feedback 'I cannot verify this company's notability as I do not speak Korean (all cited sources are in that language).'

To summarize: I would like to get some pointers on which part come off as overly promotional (As the language choice was intentionally neutral) and also if the reference material should be translated. Esme im (talk) 00:32, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Neither how it looks there's much important problem of dependent only sources in the article (their press-releases or based on their only words news) and one dead link. To clarify what do you need as sources your draft is lack of now please read WP:INDEPENDENT. If you will find and add it - that problem will be resolved and you can think about writing style decliner pointed on. 83.142.111.82 (talk) 01:10, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, @Esme im. The first sentence after the lead is "Tradlinx plays a role in the modernization of South Korea's logistics sector, particularly by reducing reliance on manual and paper-based processes." That is marketing speak. Who says that it "plays a role"? Doesn't every company with similar products play such a role? Don't tell us what the company wants people to know about it: tell us only what independent commentators say about the company. ColinFine (talk) 17:50, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

06:20, 14 February 2025 review of submission by NaijaExplorerX

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Dear Wikipedia,

On 9 February 2025, I meticulously crafted a Wikipedia post for Balogun Kuku, a visionary 19th-century Yoruba leader, military strategist, and socio-cultural icon. His influence shaped the social, economic, and political landscape of Ijebu-Ode, southwest Nigeria. Before embarking on this endeavor, I investigated the Wikipedia guidelines comprehensively to ensure his notability. I began drafting the page after being certain that he met the conditions.

After several edits from Wikipedia, I was disheartened to receive a post from one of the editors stating that my submission was rejected. The reason given was that the references did not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. This was despite my inclusion of peer-reviewed academic publications, historical journals, and credible secondary sources that provide in-depth discussions of his contributions.

I am writing to formally request a reconsideration of the rejection of my Wikipedia submission on Balogun Bello Odueyungbo Kuku. The decision cited a lack of significant coverage in reliable, secondary sources, even though my submission included peer-reviewed academic publications, historical journals, and credible secondary sources that provide in-depth discussions of his contributions.

Balogun Kuku was not just a historical figure but a pivotal one in 19th-century Nigeria. His influence extended to military leadership, commerce, political diplomacy, and the spread of Islam in Ijebu-Ode. His role in the Ekitiparapo War and the British-Ijebu War of 1892 and his founding of the Ojude Oba Festival all underscore his historical significance.

My submission included a wealth of evidence, with 19 sources provided, including academic journal articles, books, and news publications. While the number of sources may not match those of Western historical figures, the evidence they provide of Balogun Kuku's influence and importance within his community and historical context is substantial. These sources go beyond mere passing mentions, offering detailed accounts of his life, achievements, and impact. For instance, the 'Biography of Chief Bello Kuku', 'Balogun Kuku: Military Brass, Merchant Prince and Muslim Leader', and 'Knights of a Global Countryside: The Balogun Institution of Ijebuland, Nigeria provide in-depth accounts of his life and impact. It's worth noting that only two of the 19 sources used for the page are written by the family, which refutes the claim that the sources are not independent.

Balogun Kuku's notability aligns with aspects of the Subject-Specific Notability Guidelines for People because:

1) He held a unique, historically important position: As the Balogun (warlord) of Ijebu-Ode, Kuku held a crucial military and political role in the Ijebu Kingdom. The Balogun was responsible for the kingdom's defense, leading the army and advising the ruler.

2) His actions had a significant impact: Kuku played a key role in military conflicts such as the Ogunsegun War and the Ekitiparapo War. He also influenced the political and economic landscape of Ijebu-Ode and contributed to the spread of Islam in the region.

3) His life has been the subject of historical study: Historians have examined Kuku's life and impact in the context of 19th-century Yorubaland. This demonstrates sustained scholarly interest in his significance.

Regarding 'Sustained Attention Over Time', Balogun Kuku's notability is not temporary. He remains a significant figure in Ijebu history, with his legacy continuing to be recognized through:

a) The Ojude Oba Festival: Kuku originated the Ojude Oba festival, which has become a major cultural event in Ijebuland. This festival serves as an annual reminder of his contributions and ensures continued focus on his office. It is paradoxical that the Ojude-Oba has a Wikipedia page, while the originator is deemed not notable for having a Wikipedia page.

b) The Olorogun Title: The Awujale of Ijebuland conferred the Olorogun title upon the Kuku Dynasty as a hereditary title in recognition of Balogun Kuku's achievements. Now, in the Ilamuren class, this title ensures the family's continued prominence in Ijebu society.

c) Continued prominence of his descendants: Balogun Kuku's descendants have played significant roles in Ijebu society, with many achieving success in various fields. This ongoing legacy reinforces the family's notability and connects it back to Balogun Kuku's original contributions.

d) Historic Landmark: The Olorunsogo House, built by Balogun Kuku, has been designated as a Special Architectural and Historical/Cultural Significance building by the Ogun State Government. The house and its surrounding memorial burial vaults serve as a tourist attraction and a tangible connection to the history of the Kuku family

The rejection of this article underscores a more profound issue concerning the representation of African historical figures on Wikipedia. The platform's notability guidelines for biographies prominently feature examples of Western figures, such as Abraham Lincoln, known for his role in the American Civil War; Marie Antoinette, the last Queen of France; Michael Jackson, the iconic pop star; and George Orwell, the influential writer and essayist. However, the glaring absence of non-Western historical figures in these criteria raises alarming concerns about potential systemic bias inherent in the definition of historical significance. 

This implicit framing around predominantly Western figures creates a troubling environment where numerous 19th-century African leaders, esteemed warriors, and impactful cultural pioneers may be systematically overlooked despite their substantial contributions to their societies and global history. This bias could indeed shed light on the widespread underrepresentation of significant African historical figures on Wikipedia, ultimately skewing the platform's role as a comprehensive and equitable repository of global history.

Balogun Kuku meets and exceeds the notability requirements regarding historical, political, military, and cultural influence, and his contributions have been widely documented in academic sources, historical studies, and cultural analyses. Despite meeting these criteria, the rejection of his biography reinforces the underrepresentation of African historical figures on Wikipedia and contributes to the erasure of African contributions from global history.

I understand the importance of maintaining Wikipedia's standards for notability. However, I urge you to consider the broader implications of applying these standards uniformly without acknowledging the potential bias against historical documentation for certain regions and cultures. A more nuanced approach is necessary to ensure that Wikipedia accurately reflects the diverse tapestry of human history and does not inadvertently contribute to the erasure of important figures like Balogun Kuku and other African historical figures.

I respectfully request that this submission be reviewed again with a more inclusive, globally conscious approach to historical notability. 

Thank you for your time and consideration. I look forward to your response. 


NaijaExplorerX (talk) 06:20, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@NaijaExplorerX: We do not entertain requests written via chatbot, and users are greatly disinclined to read a long, rambling screed against our notability criteria. I agree that non-European cultures, leaders, and history is grossly underrepresented on Wikipedia, but this is the absolute worst way to make that argument. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 06:38, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi,
I was just following the instruction on where to file an appeal. NaijaExplorerX (talk) 06:40, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Your draft was declined, not rejected. Rejected has a specific meaning in the draft process, that a draft may not be resubmitted. Declined means that it may be resubmitted.
If you believe that the reviewer erred in their analysis of your sources, please ask them directly to reconsider or explain more specifically what the concern is. Also note that this process is usually voluntary- you are free to move it into the encyclopedia yourself(you are now autoconfirmed), though it's usually a good idea to use this process, as moving it into the project yourself risks it being potentially nominated for deletion. 331dot (talk) 08:23, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

12:57, 14 February 2025 review of submission by Umetnikperformansa

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Hi. I am beginner in writing an article on Wikipedia, and just got declined. I was wondering to ask for help regarding the footnotes required in my article. Thank you Umetnikperformansa (talk) 12:57, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please see Referencing for beginners with regards to referencing.
Please explain how you obtained the photo; "it's a promotional photo" is not acceptable as a source. You're also claiming copyright as the uploader. 331dot (talk) 13:30, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You have a problem not with citation style you use but it's absence somewhere when each article line have to be cited. 83.142.111.82 (talk) 14:04, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

15:00, 14 February 2025 review of submission by Mydaemonthirst

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The latest reviewer is objecting to the title. I'm not sure why but I'm happy to see it reduced to 'Swindon Health Hydro'. I've removed the one comment that looked like personal opinion but I can't see anything else of that sort. The references I've quoted are the ones available to me. Tell me which are unacceptable - I will have to remove parts of the story of the Health Hydro, which will undermine the value of the article but perhaps I will find more sources in the future. I've trimmed the article a bit, admittedly not much. Depending on which references are unacceptable, I will probably be chopping out more and losing parts of the story of the building. Have I entered URL references correctly? Wikipedia is not the accessible tool I thought it would be. If I didn't think that the story of this building mattered I would just give up. You have to be an expert on Wikipedia, not just be on top of the story you care about. Mydaemonthirst (talk) 15:00, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, you still have unreferenced statements. Please ref all of it. 83.142.111.82 (talk) 15:09, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
... or delete it 83.142.111.82 (talk) 15:10, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mydaemonthirst You have dived right in to the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia- writing a new article. We usually recommend that newer users first gain experience and knowledge by first editing existing articles before attempting to write a new one. 331dot (talk) 16:26, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The tone of the draft is very essay like, it will need WP:TNT and a fresh start with no rambling background details just the plain facts as supported by reliable sources. Theroadislong (talk) 17:33, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

18:14, 14 February 2025 review of submission by Siddharthaavermaaa

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The information is return in the wikipedia is totally wrong about lodhi caste Siddharthaavermaaa (talk) 18:14, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Siddharthaavermaaa: that's as may be, but you must support your edits with reliable sources, which you didn't.
And if you wish to write about Lodhi (caste) or any other existing topic to do with Lodhi or Lodi, please edit the relevant article rather than submitting a new draft. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 18:25, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

18:19, 14 February 2025 review of submission by AnneTucker

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Hi!

Thank you for the feedback. I'm not Anne Tucker, but I I thought I was supposed to use her name as my username if I was writing about her. I'm very new to this. How do I change my username to my name and then write about her? Many thanks! AnneTucker (talk) 18:19, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Don't bother there is zero indication that they are notable. Theroadislong (talk) 18:23, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Anne Tucker" also doesn't strike me as a particularly unique name. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 18:23, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You can change your user name with help from Wikipedia:Changing username. Theroadislong (talk) 18:24, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Giving additional feedback, the draft as it currently stands is very promotional. Sentences like Anne's mission is to support awakening souls aren't encyclopedic: we want to write about what other people find notable about Tucker, not what she says her mission is. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 22:08, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

19:23, 14 February 2025 review of submission by 2601:4B:4701:280:F4FC:3E38:2FAB:C9B4

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This wiki page is a about me and me brand in the music industry i would like tho know what errors were made and what can i fix to make sure this gets published correctly. 2601:4B:4701:280:F4FC:3E38:2FAB:C9B4 (talk) 19:23, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Remember to log in when posting. I fixed your post to provide a link to your draft(you need the "Draft:" portion). It is completely unsourced and shows no indication of how you are a notable musician as Wikipedia defines one. That is why the draft was rejected and will not be considered further. I suggest that you go on about your career as if you had never heard of Wikipedia- if you truly merit an article, someone unaffiliated with you will eventually write it. You shouldn't write it yourself, please see WP:AUTO. An article is not necessarily desirable. 331dot (talk) 20:20, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

20:08, 14 February 2025 review of submission by Esterhazcolony

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How can I upload a photo of Count d'Esterhazy to include in the article? Esterhazcolony (talk) 20:08, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Images are not relevant to the draft process, which only considers the text and sources. You don't need to worry about images until the draft is accepted and placed in the encyclopedia.
I can say your draft is not likely to be accepted as the references need to be in line next to the text they are supporting. Please see referencing for beginners.. 331dot (talk) 20:16, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

21:42, 14 February 2025 review of submission by Statr

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I do not understand why this draft is rejected when this page has more sources than some of the pages for other bike tours on Wikipedia, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_Ride_Across_Georgia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biking_Across_Kansas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bike_DC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bike_MS:_City_to_Shore_Ride https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boulevard_Lakefront_Tour and so on. Statr (talk) 21:42, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It was declined, not rejected. Rejected would mean it could not be resubmitted.
Please see other stuff exists. Each article is judged on its own merits and not based on the presence of other articles that themselves may be inappropriate and just not yet addressed yet by volunteers. 331dot (talk) 21:48, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It was declined because of not having text that cited and follow next criterias. Try to read it, add such one's evidences if available and cite it for sure. Then resubmit the draft. 83.142.111.82 (talk) 21:59, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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