Sailor Moon Mafia - GAME END

logic340 said:
I believe that he feels his question can be used to narrow down members of the mafia. I also can see Gruffin side where it could be potential role fishing the question then becomes would scum Purity be so direct? I know Rosie, Ruu, Purity, Coromandel, and Gruffin so there's not a lot more getting to know them I could do. As for the other 7 I've already started getting to know Eufie and now I'm getting to know you XD

CorruptedPurity said:


Hi, I'm CP. I hate bussing as scum and enjoy scumhunting as town. Sometimes I will make long chunky post and sometimes I will claim to be too lazy and make quick to-the-point kind of posts.

Say if I didn't ask that question, we wouldn't have much serious votes like how Gruffin voted me now would we? Although I do plan to use the information in the future, it's also a good way for me to kickstart the game, ask logic, he knows I like to start with a bang. There's no useless information in mafia, asking questions makes people talk, talking gives information and information can be used to catch scum, thus asking questions, usually but not necessarily provoking ones is a good way to get information and a good way to start the game.

coromandel said:


I think the votes are all over the place - we need trains.
[Train = when a player has more than 1 vote on them.]


Right now the votes look like this:


What are we trying to accomplish? By the end of the day, we want to lynch scum.
In order to do that, 1 player needs to have more votes than everyone else.
We still have about ~24 hours left, but looking at the vote count, it's clear that we're far away from consensus on who should be lynched tomorrow.
This needs to change.

And voting isn't just for deciding the lynch in the end, we should also use our votes to pressure players.
When someone leads in votes,
- they usually get a little nervous (more likely to make mistakes when mafia)
- they're forced to talk more (to convince others not to lynch you)
Because no one wants to be lynched after all.


So what I'm saying is: these 1-vote trains are kind of useless and we should stack the votes on someone in order to create more pressure.


Thoughts?


@YugureShadowmore @liz @Mwiep @Eufie @AbuHumaid @bmoore07 @Floofs
Tagging you guys specifically, because you're so quiet. :3

/edit: added floofs

Gruffin said:
Do you have any opinions on anyone yet? I'd like to hear your input.

Mwiep said:

Ah yes I hadn't thought of it that way, thanks for the information. I read a few pages back that you're quite an agressive player, how are you planning to approach this game?

Mwiep said:

Hey there CP and logic. ^0^ Maybe I should introduce myself a bit, I'm kind of straightforward and can say weird stuff sometimes (weird stuff as in completely illogical (which hopefully will not make me look like a suspect xD)) Since I'm a new player I'm actually snooping around a bit, trying to understand the game better. ^^

Yes that's true, but isn't it kind of risky for you now that Gruffin suspects you? So it's just your prefered playing style. I have to say that it must be an effective way, now that I know your reasons behind it.

liz said:
Ok so here are my thoughts so far:
@logic340 - what is the point of trying to bring up previous games? i don't really see the point, then again could just be my lack of experience
also seems like you are trying to cover for CP...
P.S. maybe I'm just being too cynical lol
Some feedback would be appreciated :)

Gruffin said:
Hello~
Once you're finished catching up, I'd like to ask you a couple questions.
1. Who is your top suspect and why?
2. What is your overall view on the game? (As in, when I say "Sailor Moon Mafia", what does your mind immediately go to? How do you feel about it?)

liz said:
Ok so here are my thoughts so far:

@Eufie - #214, "Ahh I see... at first I thought.. the new player will always be innocent hehe... ok.. :D"
this stood out to me, could just be reverse psychology in order to draw attention away from herself?
other than that, just seems like they are trying to learn the game as it progresses

logic340 said:
I really like this post though I only took what was addressed to me. Show's you trying to get a grasp of what is going on around you. To answer your question I would need to know what post you are referencing. If you could quote the post in question that would be very helpful in answering the question.
Also in saying I am coving for CP what do you mean? What post made you feel this way? Similar with Rosie what made you feel she was protecting Purity? Do you feel we are all a mafia team together?

logic340 said:

Are you sure about that? I was pretty sure you didn't before I posted then even checked before posting, which is why I said "I know the answer". You didn't vote Crossbell you voted me RVS for that lasted 5 vote counts then you switched to Phraze till the lynch. I was the only one who voted Crossbell D1. Now I have to wonder if you are lying here or if you just forgot? I came to the same conclusion becuase you didn't bus D1 and I don't really see you as a busser. CP is a different story though as he wont bus but hasn't voted you or postured himself for one. So due to your vote on Purity I figured you two were likely unaligned though weak at this point seems like a fair assessment.

Eufie said:


Hahahaha :v only looking from one of my post? not enough evidence XD but may I ask you something? which set up do you think will be the possible set up? according to you and not what do you want... at least 2 from collumn and 2 from row hehe :)

liz said:


Lol, yeah maybe I'm just being a bit too cynical.
As for which set up I think is in play... I shall get back to you on that

liz said:


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Also post #350, could just be me misinterpreting but it seemed like you were trying to say that CP was not scum? Which is what I thought Ruu (not Rosie) was doing as well. Idk, maybe if you could clarify that post to me or how you came to that conclusion? (more specifically, why you think there isn't an s/s interaction between CP and Gruffin?)

As for you guys being a mafia team together, i honestly did not get that far lol. But now that you mention it, yes that could be a possibility

edit: format error

Eufie said:


Ahhh I thought 1-shot thing means they are immune to kill like for example if someone kill that one shot guy.. he wont be die unless he got killes twice XD

And for some reason... for me.. CP could be either 100% white or 100% black XD and this is kinda mhhh... well looking from what he said so far... he is not grey anymore to me XD

Ruu said:
@liz I mentioned the GF role as an idea, and because I saw it as an irony if, in fact, SM got the role. There is usually a "mafia boss" that has some kind of "important ability" - like a 1-shot that can kill their target no matter if the doctor is protecting them / or they could be "bulletproof" (if someone tries to kill them at night they survive) / appear innocent to cop....
Same question logic made: why do you think I'm protecting CP?

Ruu said:
I don't like that I'm completely lost atm... nothing stands out :s
All I can say so far is that Gruffin and CP are not scum buddies but that's about it. Is hard to figure out the other players alignment since they still are trying to figure out the game.

unvote cause my vote is not doing much at the moment.

logic340 said:
Well my first step in this game is to try and be as approachable as possible and more open to others ideas. I can be very narrow minded when I think I am on to something. I tend to tunnel (get literal tunnel vision) on one player. Sometimes even when they are town my bias will flip everything to paint them as scum (confirmation bias that I created myself). So will try to weigh others opinions against my own. I also want to take a more mentor type role to the newer player rather than scare you all away :P
My post counts tend to be high which is hard for even veteran playres to sift through so I will try to post less while also being concise.

I can be pretty straight forward at times to. Town can sometime look scummier than scum because town isn't as worried about what they say. They know they are town and feel they can prove it. Mafia (as a general rule but not concrete) will try to look townie to avoid being caught. Also try to take into account that informational posts should not be viewed at Town because scum can post these just as easily. Being helpful doesn't always equal town.

In regards to CP and Gruffin if they are a team it is risky to point suspicion on one another but if we come to the conclusion that they are unalighned (Town/Mafia or Town/Town) then it could work to their benefit (if they were indeed mafia together). This is just an example and not necessarily what I think is happening.

logic340 said:
@liz have you ever seen the movie The Princess Bride? This video below pretty much explains what Gruffin is talking about. This link help explain it as well.

Ruu said:


1-shot means 1 chance ^^

can you explain that last part better please? that means that you already see CP as scum or town?

liz said:
Some feedback would be appreciated :)

liz said:


Ahh, ok thanks for clarifying.
Idk, could just be me misinterpreting things but it seemed like you were saying in this post:


that CP or Gruffin are not scum, so i guess if you could maybe clarify how you got to that conclusion?
Sorry,I feel like you may have already explained, but i did not really understand your explanation.

Gruffin said:
Is CP a scumread of yours? Curious because in this list it sounds like you think CP is scum while talking about people “covering” for him yet you do not come out and say that you suspect them.

And “wine” is another way of saying WIFOM, which is circular reasoning where you try to predict your opponent’s move and act accordingly. The best way to describe it is, “He probably thinks I’ll choose A, so I’ll choose B! But what if he knows I’ll do that? So I’ll choose A! But what if--” And so on. It can be used as any alignment to confuse the other.

/Edit: "WIFOM" stands for "Wine In Front Of Me", which is referring to the scene Logic posted.

liz said:


1. So far I don't have a top suspect but my previous post (#354) pretty much sums up who I find suspicious atm

2. As for my overall view of the game , I still don't know. Im just trying to learn as the game progresses.
I just see it as being a mafia game but with sailor moon characters.
How do I feel about it? Neutral, I guess. (tbh, I haven't watched sailor moon so...)

Eufie said:


Ahh I see XD ok :) so for example.. 1-Shot Town Jailkeeper is different from Town Jailkeeper isnt it?

So what I mean is.... there is possibility that CP is 100% town or 100% scum hehe.. like I dont see him to be grey aka something that I couldnt be sure..
but Im into 100% town for him..

Eufie said:


Well Ive said it up there already.... for me.. which is Im pretty sure.. 1 5 A F ...

so how about you?

Ruu said:


yes basically if it says "Town Jailkeeper" the role works every night - but if it says "1-shot" that means you only got one chance.

liz said:


Ok so I read the set up but I'm still confused on the various roles.
I would rather focus on figuring out mafia since I find that thinking about what setup is in play to be too confusing atm. Also bc I feel like I do not have enough information to make a guess yet since we are still on phase 1.
For now ill just take a wild guess and say maybe B? or 4?
Why did I make those choices? Wild guess.


Once I have gathered more info then hopefully i can make a more educated guess

Mwiep said:
Guys I'm going to bed for now~
I'll try to be more active tomorrow and make a list of my first impressions.

Gruffin said:
Is CP a scumread of yours? Curious because in this list it sounds like you think CP is scum while talking about people “covering” for him yet you do not come out and say that you suspect them.

And “wine” is another way of saying WIFOM, which is circular reasoning where you try to predict your opponent’s move and act accordingly. The best way to describe it is, “He probably thinks I’ll choose A, so I’ll choose B! But what if he knows I’ll do that? So I’ll choose A! But what if--” And so on. It can be used as any alignment to confuse the other.

/Edit: "WIFOM" stands for "Wine In Front Of Me", which is referring to the scene Logic posted.

liz said:


Nope, I haven't made any scum reads yet.
As to why I haven't come out and said I suspect them is bc like I said, it could just be me misinterpreting things. I wanted to get some clarification before I suspected them.
Also because I'm still trying to distinguish between normal behavior vs. suspicious behaviors so i don't want to claim something as being suspicious when it could just be considered normal behavior

Eufie said:


Ahh I see.. thank you XD ok got it now :D I wanna ask Soren but she seems not here all the time XD but ya been PMing her several times :) ty liz XD



Mhh interesting.... would be better if you could pick 4 2 more later on :)

liz said:


Btw, how did you come up with 1, 5, A, and F? What made you pick those?
I find it impossible to know for sure which set up could be in play due to the lack of information right now


edit: grammar

logic340 said:
To answer an earlier question mafia do know who one another are. They have a secret club where they can communicate with one another outside this thread.

The mafia team should know the setup based on knowing one another's roles. The Town PR's should have an idea of what the setup could be based on their own particular role. Vanilla Town and 3rd Party would be in the dark as to what the setup is. IDK why Eufie asked you specifically but answers can be looked at later when we start to gain information to see who may have information that others did not? Then we need to think about why that would be? So sometimes a question may seem irrelevant or useless but later on things said today can become very useful.

liz said:


Btw, how did you come up with 1, 5, A, and F? What made you pick those?
I find it impossible to know for sure which set up could be in play due to the lack of information right now


edit: grammar

Gruffin said:
Current view on the gamestate is:
Townread: {Gruffin}
Townish: {Logic/Eufie?}
Neutral: {Liz/AbuHumaid/Ruu/Coro}
Null: {Rosie/Mwiep/Floofs/bmoore/Yugure}
Scummish: {CP?}

Townread on myself is self explanatory and I think I’ve explained all of Eufie/Liz/AbuHumaid/Ruu/CP in my other posts.

Logic’s town for now because I like his approach this game. I’m seeing an open-minded, healthily paranoid Logic trying to both solve the game and help his new comrades solve the game with him. His post about how he’s planning to change his tunneling meta is also really telling. Pointing out a known weakness that you also do as scum is something that I think comes from town more often than not, namely because tunneling is NAI for him. He’s basically shutting out the option of adopting behavior that could both drive mislynches and help him blend in if he were scum. Him trying to trap me with the vote thing AND going back to check old games to set the trap was a pretty townie move since I don’t think scum come up with that easily.

Ruu and Coro have both added their input, but nothing really striked me as AI in either direction. My general impression off the top of my head is they’re taking on a teaching role much like Logic and I. I liked Coro’s prodding of Rosie and agree with her on her point about trains, but I know she’s competent enough to do that as anything.

I’ve briefly interacted with both Rosie and Mwiep, but...didn’t really learn anything? Rosie’s sounding a little defeated/unmotivated right now in contrast to her usual self earlier and Mwiep’s not really posting anything I would note.
Literally no idea on Floofs/Bmoore/Yugure. I had to look at the OP to remember they were in the game.

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Blech. I don’t like going into phase change with a readslist like this. My CP scumlean’s starting to wane with the consideration that he did follow up on the setup discussion and is actively thinking about what everyone’s responses mean. Kind of wish I was able to have more interaction with him today, but timezones I guess.

Would be open to lynching one of my null/neutral reads if that means we can come to a consensus, though preferably I’d like there to be a case of some sort behind it to make vote analysis clearer.

Gruffin said:
Hmm...I think I’m liking Liz? She’s been pretty inquisitive and it feels like she’s working to establish some opinions on the game. I'm liking the questions she's asking too.

What’s holding me back from throwing her a townlean is that she gives herself A LOT of escape hatches for her reads (“still unsure” “then again could just be my lack of experience” “...then again could just be me not knowing…” “P.S. maybe I'm just being too cynical lol”)

I don’t blame her as it’s hard to have conviction when you’re in unfamiliar waters, but it has alerted me to the idea that she may be nervous about what she’s posting. This being because she is new or because she is mafia is yet to be revealed.

/Edit: Grammar

AbuHumaid said:

how is that suspicious? trying too hard to defend myself is what really suspicious imo


also i have some people in my suspicion list, but still need time to confirm things, i guess i'll wait 'till day 2

AbuHumaid said:
also i have some people in my suspicion list, but still need time to confirm things, i guess i'll wait 'till day 2

Eufie said:
PS: if you guys wondering why I pick either 1, 5, A, F as my choice.. when I get killed later on.. you will understand why hehe :)
like I said.. I dont mind losing since its my first game XD pretty much learning the situation :)