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The result was delete as consensus seems solid that the subject has not been shown to have had sufficient reliable coverage or to have won a significant individual award that our notability guideline in this area would seem to demand. Skomorokh 16:48, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Fails WP:GNG and WP:PORNBIO. Epbr123 (talk) 02:05, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. JBsupreme (talk) 05:38, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep His best known film "Lucky Lucas" won the GayVN best foreign film in 2000 (the film is described in Waitt, Gordon; Markwell, Kevin (2006), Gay tourism: culture and context, Routledge, p. 98, ISBN 9780789016034 due to good use of the rural landscape) and a GayVN nomination for Best Threesome in 2006. He has starred in at least 13 films including the notable cross-genre "Vampire of Budapest". There is sufficient prospect of reliable sources being added that the article should be marked for improvement rather than deleted. Ash (talk) 08:36, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keepper Ash, GayVN is recognised as a significant award for gay pornographic titles, see (Category:Pornographic film awards), and has had published material written about him. I fail to see how this fails per either WP:GNG or WP:PORNBIO. Regards, --—Cyclonenim | Chat 16:46, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]- What significant independent material has been written about him? Two of the sources are photo books published by a film company he's worked for, and the other doesn't even mention him. Which significant award has he won? Epbr123 (talk) 18:44, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Fair point on the lack of independent material, though I don't much fancy looking around for it given the topic. I also thought the award related to him; instead it relates to the film. Struck accordingly. Regards, --—Cyclonenim | Chat 19:09, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- If someone had appeared in 13 horror films as a lead character and at least two of the films were winners of international awards, would we even be having this discussion? Why are you pushing special notability requirements for this genre (on a bundle of similar articles) compared to any other, perhaps gay sex is the issue here rather than notability? If you want to find better sources try looking for them, in particular there will be a plentiful supply of gay magazines that discuss him and his work (they are just not on-line) and each of the 13 films counts as a reference-able source. At the moment I see sufficient to address the notability requirements on the ground of WP:ARTIST and replace this attempt at deletion with marking the article for improvement. Ash (talk) 09:42, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- In addition to the two awards mentioned above, the following can be added: An American in Prague - Winner: Best Selling Tape of the Year - 1999 GayVN Award, The Vampire of Budapest - Winner: Best International Video - 1996 Grabby Awards. Ash (talk) 09:51, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- The awards went to films, not him. He doesn't pass WP:ARTIST as his work hasn't "been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews". Epbr123 (talk) 10:23, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- What significant independent material has been written about him? Two of the sources are photo books published by a film company he's worked for, and the other doesn't even mention him. Which significant award has he won? Epbr123 (talk) 18:44, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per Ash. Ground Zero | t 21:56, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Contrary to the nom's opinion, the significant career indeed meets WP:ENT and WP:PORNBIO. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 01:24, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- How does he meet those? Epbr123 (talk) 10:23, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Per his career and awards. How can it possibly be perceived that does he not? Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 19:54, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- How does he meet those? Epbr123 (talk) 10:23, 1 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - Fails PORNBIO and GNG. Criteria 1 of PORNBIO is not satisfied when performer is part of a film that wins the award. Not enough evidence that person passes ENT. ARTIST for me is for the producers and directors of the genre. Morbidthoughts (talk) 16:19, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. It seems that this subject might be notable, but the article doesn't make much of a case. Absent someone finding reliable sources that talk about the subject, deletion seems the only option as it won't be demonstrated that this meets either the general notability guideline or the biographies of living persons policy. Arguing about the minutiae of guidelines means that the big picture is being missed I think. Angus McLellan (Talk) 18:38, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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