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Jackjons

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After reading all of your comments for so long time, I feel great that I took the disition to not read this one and left early , I never see this type of discussion for so long on a gender change comics,
I think, this types of long discussion not happened for the oscar winning movies
 

misseva88

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Legit forgot about her.

Honestly, in terms of visual clues: I think Dimitra is the closest visual match. She's older, the hair length (I'll note, given that there's been a makeover/disguise implied, I don't necessarily think hair style is the most useful clue), but to me most importantly, she's got the right waist. Joanna has a broader waist, while the mystery woman had a particularly thin one.

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That said, unfortunately visual clues aren't very useful in general just because of the context of the dialogue. Quite clearly, the woman is having fun at the inspector's expense that she's undergone a major makeover. Perhaps even surgical, considering that a few weeks has been enough to heal from even invasive surgeries in this story.

Being meta, I think the clues are meant to cause the reader to think it's Marina after going through a makeover (possible surgeries). We're meeting the inspector again, there's some teasing, and the last person we saw him with was Marina.

Is this because this really is Marina, or is this a red herring? For some reason we still don't know the identity of the blurred out woman. Especially now that we keep talking about the original wife, thematically it wouldn't be surprising if she showed up (although we might not get confirmation of her identity until later).
Melissa definitely left enough bread crumbs to allow for several solutions to questions she poses in the story. I don't think it's Marina, as she was hurt and got some revenge sex in her anger and the inspector's dick was just the one closest by that wasn't family of hers. That's all I read into that. But who knows, maybe Melissa picks up some of the crumbs that lead to Marina.

If there's a link between Dimitra and the inspector that leads to the question for how long that link's been there. Was the inspector involved in the investigation that lead to locking up Seferi? Was Dimitra involved in that one way or an other?
 

LadyBoyJay

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See , I told you long long ago , merina is the one ,
She is no good ,! She is a Bitch.
My hypothesis was correct that time ....
I don't think most users here have seen this yet, so I'll share the link to the post on APC.

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rebirth095

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There's a lot of assumptions that have to be made to really dive into this because there's way too many things that can be contradictory.

For starters, I'm going to assume Marina is telling (what she believes) to be the truth to the inspector. While this is info dumping to the reader, it's also being written from her perspective.

First off, Marina feels responsible for Andrew's current predicament. There's a number of reasons why she could feel this way.

- The first, that I think has basically no evidence, is that Marina set up Andrew to be feminized from day one. This is basically impossible unless we're retconning earlier chapters. From inner thought bubbles and how scenes played out, all the initial feminization was kicked off by Nikos and Andrew.
- The second possible reason may be specific to the surgeries. Marina was apparently informed that the surgeries had changed, and regrets that she didn't try harder to stop them.
- The third possible reason is more generally: The guilt she feels because she could have dissuaded Andrew right from the start. As in, being a person that knows Andrew's history of taking acting to extremes, she feels in hindsight that she was in the position to stop all of this and didn't.
- The fourth possible reason is Marina isn't saying she's responsible specifically for the feminization, but the circumstances for the feminization to happen to begin with. As in, maybe her entire trip was to to further her career as a journalist, and she's been trying to get the scoop on Toska.

However, there's a massive contradiction or at least a bizzare leap in logic that shortly happens. Marina claims that she was deliberately trying to get Elena to hate her before leaving Athens, so that Elena will move on and be happy with Nikos.

Except the first thing that happened was Marina talked to Nikos and caused Elena and Nikos' relationship to go down the drain. So if we're talking about a situation, that would be fine... except the way you'd do that is to NOT reveal the truth to Nikos before forcing Andrew away.

So it's not adding up.

I'm giving the writing the benefit of the doubt here, but I have to believe that Marina is feeling guilty about Andrew's feminization, but not directly responsible for it. And the reason I say that is that her attempt to make amends here is to set up her feminized husband with her uncle. Because here's the thing: If she intentionally feminized her husband, she wouldn't need to feel guilty about it. Conversely, If she's feeling guilty that he's been feminized but not responsible for that specifically, then the only way Elena getting married to Nikos is something that's a "reward" is if Marina genuinely believes it's something Elena/Nikos/Cousins wants.

And for me, that's such a massive leap in logic this isn't even something that characterizes her as scheming, or manipulative, etc. To me, it's just nonsense. Admitting in story that it's nonsense doesn't make it better. The inspector calls it "sick". I don't know if that's supposed to be implying that Marina is "sick in the head", but no matter how much some readers seem to hate Marina do any of them actually think she's been characterized as delusional up until this point?

Secondly, what's also not making sense is why is Marina "scheming" with the inspector regarding this Albania plan? I can buy the idea that Marina slept with the inspector to get some info, or to convince him to do a one off favor. But it makes no sense to me that the inspector keeps cooperating.

Let's say the inspector is a "good" guy. Forget all the crazy feminization story stuff for a second and let's just focus on his actual job. He shouldn't be working with someone he's sleeping with on an investigation, nor putting them in danger. Which implies he's a bit scummy himself.

Except... if he's not quite on the up-and-up, you can't rely on someone like this in your schemes. If this man seriously just decided to help Marina with her dangerous plan just because she was good in bed, then how can Marina trust that this man won't sell her out (presumably to one of Toska's people) in return for some other bit of arm candy, or money? Of all people, why the hell has Marina told this person the entire story?

Now a simple possible solution is that Marina's been in a relationship with the inspector for a significant amount of time. In some ways, that would make the story a lot more coherent. If in the first place, Marina was here to investigate Toska, started a relationship with the inspector, let Andrew continue to play being Elena so she could get to Toska, that would make this current part have a more solid foundation.

But I think the biggest problem would be the two things Melissa has commented about this story's theme. Supposedly, she's trying to write it so that this story doesn't leave a bad taste in anyone's mouth, while also purposefully writing it so that readers will be sympathetic to both Marina and Andrew.

I'm not sold Andrew's a "good" enough guy to deserve a happy ending. I'm not sold Andrew's a "bad" enough guy to deserve a bad ending. I'm not sold that Andrew is actually in love with Nikos, that Nikos is in love with Elena, nor the cousin's being in love with Elena. Without that component, going through with this wedding is horrifying.

As far as I can tell, the only twist left possible in this story is if Andrew stops the wedding. That would be the one and only action he's done this whole story where he's taken his fate into his own hands. Every other time he's been a bystander in his own story. At least to me, that's the closest thing to a "good" ending because the theme of this story is loss of control, so definitively gaining control back is the resolution to that. But that would leave so many loose ends with all these other plot threads.

Conversely, if we make the assumption that Marina is lying right now to the inspector (even if only some of what's said are lies), then a lot more is at play and we're once again waiting for more info.

Also, sonofabitch we're setting up for even more flashbacks because now there's this whole "what happened in Albania" question. And we're still waiting for the flashback for Nikos' first wife.
 

Stevedore100

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There's a lot of assumptions that have to be made to really dive into this because there's way too many things that can be contradictory.

For starters, I'm going to assume Marina is telling (what she believes) to be the truth to the inspector. While this is info dumping to the reader, it's also being written from her perspective.

First off, Marina feels responsible for Andrew's current predicament. There's a number of reasons why she could feel this way.

- The first, that I think has basically no evidence, is that Marina set up Andrew to be feminized from day one. This is basically impossible unless we're retconning earlier chapters. From inner thought bubbles and how scenes played out, all the initial feminization was kicked off by Nikos and Andrew.
- The second possible reason may be specific to the surgeries. Marina was apparently informed that the surgeries had changed, and regrets that she didn't try harder to stop them.
- The third possible reason is more generally: The guilt she feels because she could have dissuaded Andrew right from the start. As in, being a person that knows Andrew's history of taking acting to extremes, she feels in hindsight that she was in the position to stop all of this and didn't.
- The fourth possible reason is Marina isn't saying she's responsible specifically for the feminization, but the circumstances for the feminization to happen to begin with. As in, maybe her entire trip was to to further her career as a journalist, and she's been trying to get the scoop on Toska.

However, there's a massive contradiction or at least a bizzare leap in logic that shortly happens. Marina claims that she was deliberately trying to get Elena to hate her before leaving Athens, so that Elena will move on and be happy with Nikos.

Except the first thing that happened was Marina talked to Nikos and caused Elena and Nikos' relationship to go down the drain. So if we're talking about a situation, that would be fine... except the way you'd do that is to NOT reveal the truth to Nikos before forcing Andrew away.

So it's not adding up.

I'm giving the writing the benefit of the doubt here, but I have to believe that Marina is feeling guilty about Andrew's feminization, but not directly responsible for it. And the reason I say that is that her attempt to make amends here is to set up her feminized husband with her uncle. Because here's the thing: If she intentionally feminized her husband, she wouldn't need to feel guilty about it. Conversely, If she's feeling guilty that he's been feminized but not responsible for that specifically, then the only way Elena getting married to Nikos is something that's a "reward" is if Marina genuinely believes it's something Elena/Nikos/Cousins wants.

And for me, that's such a massive leap in logic this isn't even something that characterizes her as scheming, or manipulative, etc. To me, it's just nonsense. Admitting in story that it's nonsense doesn't make it better. The inspector calls it "sick". I don't know if that's supposed to be implying that Marina is "sick in the head", but no matter how much some readers seem to hate Marina do any of them actually think she's been characterized as delusional up until this point?

Secondly, what's also not making sense is why is Marina "scheming" with the inspector regarding this Albania plan? I can buy the idea that Marina slept with the inspector to get some info, or to convince him to do a one off favor. But it makes no sense to me that the inspector keeps cooperating.

Let's say the inspector is a "good" guy. Forget all the crazy feminization story stuff for a second and let's just focus on his actual job. He shouldn't be working with someone he's sleeping with on an investigation, nor putting them in danger. Which implies he's a bit scummy himself.

Except... if he's not quite on the up-and-up, you can't rely on someone like this in your schemes. If this man seriously just decided to help Marina with her dangerous plan just because she was good in bed, then how can Marina trust that this man won't sell her out (presumably to one of Toska's people) in return for some other bit of arm candy, or money? Of all people, why the hell has Marina told this person the entire story?

Now a simple possible solution is that Marina's been in a relationship with the inspector for a significant amount of time. In some ways, that would make the story a lot more coherent. If in the first place, Marina was here to investigate Toska, started a relationship with the inspector, let Andrew continue to play being Elena so she could get to Toska, that would make this current part have a more solid foundation.

But I think the biggest problem would be the two things Melissa has commented about this story's theme. Supposedly, she's trying to write it so that this story doesn't leave a bad taste in anyone's mouth, while also purposefully writing it so that readers will be sympathetic to both Marina and Andrew.

I'm not sold Andrew's a "good" enough guy to deserve a happy ending. I'm not sold Andrew's a "bad" enough guy to deserve a bad ending. I'm not sold that Andrew is actually in love with Nikos, that Nikos is in love with Elena, nor the cousin's being in love with Elena. Without that component, going through with this wedding is horrifying.

As far as I can tell, the only twist left possible in this story is if Andrew stops the wedding. That would be the one and only action he's done this whole story where he's taken his fate into his own hands. Every other time he's been a bystander in his own story. At least to me, that's the closest thing to a "good" ending because the theme of this story is loss of control, so definitively gaining control back is the resolution to that. But that would leave so many loose ends with all these other plot threads.

Conversely, if we make the assumption that Marina is lying right now to the inspector (even if only some of what's said are lies), then a lot more is at play and we're once again waiting for more info.

Also, sonofabitch we're setting up for even more flashbacks because now there's this whole "what happened in Albania" question. And we're still waiting for the flashback for Nikos' first wife.
I think it's a combination of 3 and 4 - Marina feels guilty for essentially not stopping this circus at various points where she obviously should have. The fact that she still holds Andrew partially to blame says to me that she didn't have some scheme from the get go and that he could have called this off just as much as she could have.

Also totally agree that blabbing to Nikos seems an incredibly dull thing to do. If her intention is to get Nikos and Elena together why rip them apart? Elena is in a really vulnerable situation here, just lost Marina, her old life, and now believes she lost Nikos.

What she did is Albania will be interesting to see - Nikos is supposedly off somewhere so there's a chance that she was doing something involving him. She went to pretty extreme lengths for a disguise - would that be enough to fool Nikos? And what for?

This does seem a a split the baby solution that isn't particularly satisfying to anybody by trying to be satisfying to everybody. But we shall see.
 

Alicia Mae

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Also totally agree that blabbing to Nikos seems an incredibly dull thing to do. If her intention is to get Nikos and Elena together why rip them apart? Elena is in a really vulnerable situation here, just lost Marina, her old life, and now believes she lost Nikos.
Blabbing to Nikos does seem totally contradictory to her goal to be so mean that it drives Elena into his arms. But I can think of a few ways how Marina might think it’s helpful (even though I don’t think so personally.)

1. maybe she’s testing to see if Elena truly does love Nikos. With their relationship on the rocks, it may be up to Elena to fix things with her husband. If she realizes she truly loves him, Elena will make the effort to patch things up, and go on with the wedding.

2. She’s being the “bad guy” by dropping the bombshell. If Elena was the one to confess that she really was married to Nikos, it could ruin their happy ending. Now they have somebody to be mad at together. (I don’t know, this one’s grasping at straws tbh.)

Also- we should consider that Marina might NOT be interested in Elena’s happiness at this point. I really want her blow up to be genuine. It’s pretty well justified imo. I think she could easily have an ulterior motive for them to still get married. She’s a journalist with a tip on a major crime lord about to get arrested at a wedding. That’s huge international news, and a career maker. Maybe Andre can finally make up the money he lost this way lol.
 

Thalantyr

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I agree that the bit about Marina getting Elena to hate her being a ruse is confusing based on what we've seen so far, but also keep in mind that Marina could feel guilty and indebted to Elena while also still being furious at her, and/or furious at Nikos. Perhaps blowing up at Nikos wasn't actually part of the plan, but she just couldn't help herself. She does say that she's fucked everything up and is now trying to mitigate the damage.
 

Thalantyr

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Huh. This update actually introduced an element we haven't see from these white-panel stories in quite a while: breaking the mind control so the victim can actually fight back and/or come to terms with what happened to him instead of just meekly going along with whatever the villain says.
Heh, well, so much for that. Instead we get a flash-forward that skips over everything I thought could have been interesting about this story and we ended up more or less in the same place as every other white-panel story.

"You're just a crazy bitch and you don't know anything about me!"
One year later...
"Why would I want to go back? I guess Mrs. Miller was right about me all along. That's who I'm supposed to be."

...wat?

Oh well. At least the sex scene was kinda hot, I guess.
 

rebirth095

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Heh, well, so much for that. Instead we get a flash-forward that skips over everything I thought could have been interesting about this story and we ended up more or less in the same place as every other white-panel story.

"You're just a crazy bitch and you don't know anything about me!"
One year later...
"Why would I want to go back? I guess Mrs. Miller was right about me all along. That's who I'm supposed to be."

...wat?

Oh well. At least the sex scene was kinda hot, I guess.
Look on the bright side: It's over so at least we can move on to either a new story or Kpop.