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RNasc4444 said:

Interesting. My assumption was always that Nami became rather bitter and vindictive after being "abandoned" by Summer and the MC. And as a smart, pretty girl with an outgoing personality, I imagine she manipulated quite a few people, especially boys, and maybe even used them to take her revenge against them. At least some of the fights the MC got into may very well have been "orchestrated" by Nami as either a way to hurt him or make him fight for her.

My suspicion is that the deal they made was something along the lines of Nami not being that vindictive/manipulative person (she may have been quite the tease/flirt to get her way) anymore and the MC would stop getting into fights and trouble in general. Also they agreed to keep their deal/promise to each other secret and never to speak of it again.

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Mostly I thought the same, but Nika mentioning he has to break the deal and tell Amber implies it's ongoing. It could well be something that's buried, but why would there be so much trepidation and reluctance from Nami over telling about a deal to stop Nika fighting? When Nika talks about Nami being part of the reason he is the way he is and that it's not just Summer (implied) that has caused his problems, he acknowledges that unless he reveals all the trauma, Amber won't be able to help him..

So Nami becoming bitter and revenge flirting, putting Nika in awkward situations, I believe you've got it right, but what triggered her to do that right after Summer's finally out of her way and she gets Nika back to herself? Surely she'd want to just calm him down, but we know from Nia that Nika changed dramatically - we see him in class with Summer, and whenever he's with SUmmer, he's pretty happy. Nami's personality while SUmmer's around could get vindictive, but it seems like Nami being interested in boys was after Summer disappeared.

Doomyk said:

I understand that without tension it wouldn’t be so interesting. But the problem is that Nika’s tension level is a fight with Sai or a fight with Bella(for example). But certainly not Holgerson or the same Melanie. Nik has neither powerful support nor abilities. Such people capable of crushing him like an ant. And excuse me, but often what Nika gets for friendship does not correspond to the price. Friendship with Mila for enemies in the form of the rich and influential, Victoria’s friendship for Melanie’s enemy, etc. And the benefits of such friendship are doubtful. The only exception - Bella. A useful friend, a lot of connections, asks Aya to teach Nika how to fight, teaches him to drive, makes him look like a human, thanks to her Nika gets 10k. Question, what is the material benefit from Mila or Victoria besides a bunch of problems?

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The cheap answer is Nika thinks his plans are better than Nami's That's actually probably the correct answer. He believes he's more competent than he is.

As far as what he gets, he's not thinking like that. Sometimes he's rational, other times, he just acts. Part of his problem is learning to control his impulses, even if he needs to relax and learn to have sexual impulses. All his judgment comes from a skewed perspective. He makes allies, not to benefit himself as he mentions to Noji, he burdens himself trying to force himself to be normal without knowing what normal is. I don't doubt that he could be crushed, but he is willing to make decisions without thinkijng about consequences.

HIs actions forgiving Zara, forgiving Robin and getting them on his side is making powerful friends, we just don't know all of the politics at play.

And of course, Nami has an earring which can call up the living ghost of Gefritzel like a pokemon or something! And the raccoon is out there, maybe to be wone over and fight Stefan's cat!

PaxHadrian17 said:

The thing he can't let slide is that they used Nami against him, and he is trying to find out who decided to do this.

Coach Hill is the one who gave them the hand-cuffs and, IMO, told them to get the hate out of their systems.

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BobTheDuck said:

About Zara/Nadia/Nika revenge: Zara is quicksilver, gets mad quickly and leaves quickly. Nika's trying to be a better person. The motives between the change surprise Nick as well, but as Vanessa says Zara will either kill him or jump him. With Nadia, she seems more passive. I guess keep in mind Coach Hill organised this, probably to see how Nika deals with it, considering how interested she was in his past, and she has plans for him for the first team. This means Zara or Nadia didn't come up with the plan - it was planted when Hill took them aside. So Nadia's just going along with the flow. Nika again, he can use it to his benefit, if you're no on Bella's path and Nadia owes him a favour. So I don't think it's quite as big a deal as people make it out, and if Coach Hill hands Nika the key because Marla frees you instead of Bella, Nika knows who is really responsible.

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Interesting, so probably the plan to handcuff Nika is from Coach Hill? Then i have to add that bitch to the list too

It makes sense that in a way to keep the team united and concentrated, Coach Hill gave them the handcuffs , but this is a brave movement for her part. She doesn´t know how can react Nika so is an all or nothing bet, because if Nika react bad then she could has lost a player , but well, that didn´t happen so

But then we have the foot of Zara, i don´t think that part was an idea from Coach Hill too, and it seems this action of Zara was more a sporadic action, because she is leaving but then she returns an put her foot in his mouth , is this action what upset me more, is like a direct threat to Nika, and i´m pretty sure anyone will let slide if someone put a foot in our mouth, without consent

About the favors i think Nadia is one of the most important girls to have in debt, she is popular, has a reputation to be undateable and she is friend with Bella´s group and Zara, good connections.

Edit, i forget to mention the idea of use Nami for take Nika to the locker room : It can be possible that is just the idea who had Robin for call Nika´s attention? Or maybe is something more?

Zara and Nadia said that they didn´t know even what to do when Nika was handcuffed so i suppose it wasn´t their idea. But they said they were harsh with Robin, how hard? Now i want to know what debt Robin had with Zara for do that...

PaxHadrian17 said:

The MC could have stopped them - but he chose to let them take their revenge this way so that they could get it out of their system.

He was manipulating them so that his team would win the BB scrimmage.

He is very 'people' smart - although not as smart as he likes to believe, OC.

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THE MC is trying to change, and he could have stopped them but chose not to - believing that they needed this and giving them this 'win' was good for them and for him in the long run.

The thing he can't let slide is that they used Nami against him, and he is trying to find out who decided to do this.

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Summers Gone is a story about hope and redemption. There will be bumps and bruises along the way, but the MC is trying to be a better person.

We've seen hints that something bad has happened to at least one of Nadia's family members - hence her strong reaction to being accused about using Nami against the MC.

I think Ocean resolved the locker room prank in a way that the MC, Zara and Nadia can live with.

I think you will be missing out if you stop enjoying SG just because you did not get to take revenge on Nadia.

It's not like she high fived Sai and his two friends, all with baseball bats, as she and Zara left the locker room - leaving the MC unable to defend himself.

If you have not played the non-Bella path, you are also missing something interesting...

Coach Hill is the one who gave them the hand-cuffs and, IMO, told them to get the hate out of their systems.

Cheers!!

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Oh well guess im missing out then. Thanks for you option i understand where you are coming from.

Don Sucio said:

Interesting, so probably the plan to handcuff Nika is from Coach Hill? Then i have to add that bitch to the list too

It makes sense that in a way to keep the team united and concentrated, Coach Hill gave them the handcuffs , but this is a brave movement for her part. She doesn´t know how can react Nika so is an all or nothing bet, because if Nika react bad then she could has lost a player , but well, that didn´t happen so

But then we have the foot of Zara, i don´t think that part was an idea from Coach Hill too, and it seems this action of Zara was more a sporadic action, because she is leaving but then she returns an put her foot in his mouth , is this action what upset me more, is like a direct threat to Nika, and i´m pretty sure anyone will let slide if someone put a foot in our mouth, without consent

About the favors i think Nadia is one of the most important girls to have in debt, she is popular, has a reputation to be undateable and she is friend with Bella´s group and Zara, good connections.

Edit, i forget to mention the idea of use Nami for take Nika to the locker room : It can be possible that is just the idea who had Robin for call Nika´s attention? Or maybe is something more?

Zara and Nadia said that they didn´t know even what to do when Nika was handcuffed so i suppose it wasn´t their idea. But they said they were harsh with Robin, how hard? Now i want to know what debt Robin had with Zara for do that...

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If you haven't done a non Bella path, it is worth doing to see all the different perspectives. Even things like not going to the gym with Jeff adds new information that you don't get. I think the simplest way to see it is you can't get all the same dialogues depending on who you take to the gym, so you have to reload to see them all, the whole game is like that. Although the choices seem small, later on, they often have revealed something in context. So if you do a non Bella path don't go on the heist so she breaks you balls, you visit Claire, find out more about Coach Hill. Then don't say you make a good team with Bella, and you don't kiss her (the options probably not there if you don't go on the heist), you'll get the alternate scene where Marla rescues you instead of Bella, it's hilarious, but you learn a lot about the coach, and Nadia and Zara owe you.

Don Sucio said:

Interesting, so probably the plan to handcuff Nika is from Coach Hill? Then i have to add that bitch to the list too

It makes sense that in a way to keep the team united and concentrated, Coach Hill gave them the handcuffs , but this is a brave movement for her part. She doesn´t know how can react Nika so is an all or nothing bet, because if Nika react bad then she could has lost a player , but well, that didn´t happen so

But then we have the foot of Zara, i don´t think that part was an idea from Coach Hill too, and it seems this action of Zara was more a sporadic action, because she is leaving but then she returns an put her foot in his mouth , is this action what upset me more, is like a direct threat to Nika, and i´m pretty sure anyone will let slide if someone put a foot in our mouth, without consent

About the favors i think Nadia is one of the most important girls to have in debt, she is popular, has a reputation to be undateable and she is friend with Bella´s group and Zara, good connections.

Edit, i forget to mention the idea of use Nami for take Nika to the locker room : It can be possible that is just the idea who had Robin for call Nika´s attention? Or maybe is something more?

Zara and Nadia said that they didn´t know even what to do when Nika was handcuffed so i suppose it wasn´t their idea. But they said they were harsh with Robin, how hard? Now i want to know what debt Robin had with Zara for do that...

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I would have licked between her toe and said I saw you looking I know you liked what you saw. LI created.

BobTheDuck said:

If you haven't done a non Bella path, it is worth doing to see all the different perspectives. Even things like not going to the gym with Jeff adds new information that you don't get. I think the simplest way to see it is you can't get all the same dialogues depending on who you take to the gym, so you have to reload to see them all, the whole game is like that. Although the choices seem small, later on, they often have revealed something in context. So if you do a non Bella path don't go on the heist so she breaks you balls, you visit Claire, find out more about Coach Hill. Then don't say you make a good team with Bella, and you don't kiss her (the options probably not there if you don't go on the heist), you'll get the alternate scene where Marla rescues you instead of Bella, it's hilarious, but you learn a lot about the coach, and Nadia and Zara owe you.

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I have one non Bella path, but i went with her to the heist because i wanted to stole that Mario bitch, it seems that if you go to the heist Bella and Nika get closer, i didn´t want that just use Bella for stole Mario.

I´m going to try a Non Bella path without going to the heist . I want to find out if Bella and Nika get closer because Ocean want it or if is just because the heist is united by force with get closer to Bella.

Do you know how many saves we can do for season 2? I don´t know if is just one or if there are several "slots".

If you don't get involved with any women, Vanessa invites Nika to meet her on a street

Kaka86161 said:

If you don't get involved with any women, Vanessa invites Nika to meet her on a street

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Yeah, and you can "surrender" to her and just say "yes" to her appointment or choose the clever option and then she will offer you the same but you will be able to not go or go ,whatever you decide.

Adhdclassic said:

So 2 have been done one the list. Nutshot and bella Nika fighting in class

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'Might be a much, much more serious fight on the cards...

On the Bella path it's possible to play the field behind her back yet still tell her you want a relationship. On that path you can snog with Vic, Mila, Nami, and get touchy with Nia. We know Bella isn't two-faced and she talked to Nika about her fear of betrayal. (Bella: "If trust gets broken once... That's pretty much it... I can't forgive."). I can see this all ending badly if Nika continues to play the field behind Bella's back (this aside from Ayua beating Nika to a pulp).

And I'm seeing Mila in a slightly different light. I haven't done the appropriate path yet on a fresh Season 1 playthrough, but I recall Mila pulls back from pursuing Nika if she knows Nika is going on a date with Vic.

On the Bella path, Mila still aggressively pursues Nika given the chance (and if Nika let's her), even when she knows there's something between him and Bella. This, despite Nika saying earlier that his date with Mila would only be as friends now because of Bella. I'm starting to wonder if Mila would use Nika to get one up on Bella. (Nika: "Since you heard about me and Bella... Your body language towards me has changed. It's in some way aggressive." Mila: "Oh- uh... I didn't mean to come across like that." Nika: "But you did." Mila: "Is it so bad to not always be the one left empty handed? The one that always watches from the sidelines?!").

Don Sucio said:

I have one non Bella path, but i went with her to the heist because i wanted to stole that Mario bitch, it seems that if you go to the heist Bella and Nika get closer, i didn´t want that just use Bella for stole Mario.

I´m going to try a Non Bella path without going to the heist . I want to find out if Bella and Nika get closer because Ocean want it or if is just because the heist is united by force with get closer to Bella.

Do you know how many saves we can do for season 2? I don´t know if is just one or if there are several "slots".

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You can do more than one, I don't know how many though. You get to name the save when you do it, so there really should be the potential for as many as your hard drive can fit.

I am just doing the one save for now,because I'll likely want to remind myself of all the different things as some of the choices start having consequences.

John972 said:

'Might be a much, much more serious fight on the cards...

On the Bella path it's possible to play the field behind her back yet still tell her you want a relationship. On that path you can snog with Vic, Mila, Nami, and get touchy with Nia. We know Bella isn't two-faced and she talked to Nika about her fear of betrayal. (Bella: "If trust gets broken once... That's pretty much it... I can't forgive."). I can see this all ending badly if Nika continues to play the field behind Bella's back (this aside from Ayua beating Nika to a pulp).

And I'm seeing Mila in a slightly different light. I haven't done the appropriate path yet on a fresh Season 1 playthrough, but I recall Mila pulls back from pursuing Nika if she knows Nika is going on a date with Vic.

On the Bella path, Mila still aggressively pursues Nika given the chance (and if Nika let's her), even when she knows there's something between him and Bella. This, despite Nika saying earlier that his date with Mila would only be as friends now because of Bella. I'm starting to wonder if Mila would use Nika to get one up on Bella. (Nika: "Since you heard about me and Bella... Your body language towards me has changed. It's in some way aggressive." Mila: "Oh- uh... I didn't mean to come across like that." Nika: "But you did." Mila: "Is it so bad to not always be the one left empty handed? The one that always watches from the sidelines?!").

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I think the throuple paths are going to be quite intense. Bella pretty much doesn't care if you've kissed Vic, but is grossed out if you've kissed Mila, mainly because Mila broke Bella trust. And it's possible to get both Mila and Vic dates, you have to refuse Vic first, then ask Mila, then take Vic for a walk. It does feel like everyone knows almost instantly if you've been messing around.

John972 said:

'Might be a much, much more serious fight on the cards...

On the Bella path it's possible to play the field behind her back yet still tell her you want a relationship. On that path you can snog with Vic, Mila, Nami, and get touchy with Nia. We know Bella isn't two-faced and she talked to Nika about her fear of betrayal. (Bella: "If trust gets broken once... That's pretty much it... I can't forgive."). I can see this all ending badly if Nika continues to play the field behind Bella's back (this aside from Ayua beating Nika to a pulp).

And I'm seeing Mila in a slightly different light. I haven't done the appropriate path yet on a fresh Season 1 playthrough, but I recall Mila pulls back from pursuing Nika if she knows Nika is going on a date with Vic.

On the Bella path, Mila still aggressively pursues Nika given the chance (and if Nika let's her), even when she knows there's something between him and Bella. This, despite Nika saying earlier that his date with Mila would only be as friends now because of Bella. I'm starting to wonder if Mila would use Nika to get one up on Bella. (Nika: "Since you heard about me and Bella... Your body language towards me has changed. It's in some way aggressive." Mila: "Oh- uh... I didn't mean to come across like that." Nika: "But you did." Mila: "Is it so bad to not always be the one left empty handed? The one that always watches from the sidelines?!").

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Fuck that´s true, i want since i discover this game a girl who try to seduce Nika even if he is in a relationship and maybe this girl is Mila , what i don´t know is if she is going to try it only when Nika and Bella are just like fuck-buddies (but without the "fuck" for now) or if she is going to try to be with Nika even if he and Bella start a real relationship.

In my Bella path i´m more interested in Bella but my Nikas was in Nia´s house and they were touchy and he has a pending date with Mila so i will let them fight for Nika, yes, my main interest is Bella but:

If I'm not mistaken, even if you don't go with Bella on the heist, it's still possible to have her way

damn chapter 2 slaps now holy shit

Okay, now I'm seriously intrigued. Who's that enchanting figure? She keeps popping up in the background, sometimes at the most perfect moments. Any theories?


You know, it's kind of amusing how frequently her silhouette appears in the background. I mean, sure, she might be Sasha's bodyguard, but it feels like she's popping up more often than your average background security detail:



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Kaka86161 said:

If I'm not mistaken, even if you don't go with Bella on the heist, it's still possible to have her way

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Correct.

Zara from Summers Gone (Art)

Winterstale said:

Okay, now I'm seriously intrigued. Who's that enchanting figure? She keeps popping up in the background, sometimes at the most perfect moments. Any theories?
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You know, it's kind of amusing how frequently her silhouette appears in the background. I mean, sure, she might be Sasha's bodyguard, but it feels like she's popping up more often than your average background security detail:

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We're all very curious. Sasha's bodyguard is clearly known in Ch5, and we see her in Ch1 in the mensa.

Ocean also did a treat of her in the wallpapers (Treat_RedWhiteHairedBibi) of her at the farm. She dyes her hair after the first time we see her - in Ch1 you see her in a blue dress walking with Sasha and only red hair. So she's part of the dyed hair group that Ayua is part of (some sort of wager or bet lost to Sasha? I don't think a body guard would be involved). I suspect she's a student, but I also suspect she trains with Sasha - it almost appears that Sasha and she appear to break up the fight with Sai.

BobTheDuck said:

I think the throuple paths are going to be quite intense. Bella pretty much doesn't care if you've kissed Vic, but is grossed out if you've kissed Mila, mainly because Mila broke Bella trust. And it's possible to get both Mila and Vic dates, you have to refuse Vic first, then ask Mila, then take Vic for a walk. It does feel like everyone knows almost instantly if you've been messing around.

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There are many go-no go points throughout the game, but by the end of Ch 5, it's still possible to play around behind Bella's back without telling her anything or her knowing anything.

About the healing theme in the game.

I'll probably touch on this topic in more detail after I replay the game, but for now I just want to briefly say that one of the main factors in what I'll think about the Holgersons' storyline and Bella specifically, will be what consequences Bella and Nika face. You can make any excuse you want, say how bad the Holgersons are, how evil Vanessa is and that they just wanted to help Mila and so on, but that doesn't change Nika and Bella's behavior. There was nothing smart about the heist and the attempt to use Vanessa. That was dumb. And then there's also the moral issue and the fact that they brought trouble on Mila. The moral side is especially about Bella. Look at what she did to the woman in the restaurant. To start her theme of healing, simple remorse is not enough. There should be consequences for their actions and these consequences should hit them as hard as possible. Otherwise, all these themes of healing and redemption are worth nothing.

Winterstale said:

Okay, now I'm seriously intrigued. Who's that enchanting figure? She keeps popping up in the background, sometimes at the most perfect moments. Any theories?
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You know, it's kind of amusing how frequently her silhouette appears in the background. I mean, sure, she might be Sasha's bodyguard, but it feels like she's popping up more often than your average background security detail:

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The moment she and Sasha appear in the fight againts Sai is suspicious for me, the class finished and all of them leave, except Sai, the other guy and Nika, i think the girls listened the fight and decided to interrupt them , why? I don´t know.

Or maybe they forgot something, their bag or some books.

N1ghtcrawler said:

About the healing theme in the game.

I'll probably touch on this topic in more detail after I replay the game, but for now I just want to briefly say that one of the main factors in what I'll think about the Holgersons' storyline and Bella specifically, will be how they affect Nika and Bella. You can make any excuse you want, say how bad the Holgersons are, how evil Vanessa is and that they just wanted to help Mila and so on, but that doesn't change Nika and Bella's behavior. There was nothing smart about the heist and the attempt to use Vanessa. That was dumb. And then there's also the moral issue and the fact that they brought trouble on Mila. The moral side is especially about Bella. Look at what she did to the woman in the restaurant. To start her theme of healing, simple remorse is not enough. There should be consequences for their actions and these consequences should hit them as hard as possible. If there are no consequences, all these themes of healing and redemption are worth nothing.

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Yeah, as Nika would say: Actions have consequences.

But is part of their behaviour, Nika is a problematic guy and Bella too, i´m pretty sure will be more and worse problems caused by them...